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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204476888" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204476888">(Jul 20 2020 at 21:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>I figured I’d create a thread. Wanted to ask how many of these DTKs we have, and whether the access is just plain ssh login or something along those lines.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204477547" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204477547">(Jul 20 2020 at 21:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>only one, and yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204477560" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204477560">(Jul 20 2020 at 21:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess we could also enable VNC</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204489733" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204489733">(Jul 20 2020 at 22:07)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://support.apple.com/en-in/guide/mac-help/mchlp1066/mac">https://support.apple.com/en-in/guide/mac-help/mchlp1066/mac</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204489853" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204489853">(Jul 20 2020 at 22:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>The question isn’t so much can we as should we</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204489918" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204489918">(Jul 20 2020 at 22:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>And I think we do have to; sometimes a quarantine alert only shows up as a GUI popup</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204490025" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204490025">(Jul 20 2020 at 22:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>At least that’s what Andre said, I’ve only experienced it when requiring access to run the debugger.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204490461" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204490461">(Jul 20 2020 at 22:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>Which is also a useful ability, to be clear</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204494693" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204494693">(Jul 20 2020 at 22:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>Wouldn’t you also need GUI access to do any kind of updates for XCode or the SDK?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204494954" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204494954">(Jul 20 2020 at 23:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>That is not a thing that an arbitrary user of this shared infra machine should be doing.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204495000" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204495000">(Jul 20 2020 at 23:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>But when I downloaded the Xcode beta, it was just a disk image with Xcode in it. I hope that you could do that without admin or GUI access</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204495067" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204495067">(Jul 20 2020 at 23:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>So maybe putting such in your ~/Applications</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204495178" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204495178">(Jul 20 2020 at 23:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well if you need to launch XCode or its tools there are updates where it will often require you to update it before it will let you continue in my experience.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204495774" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204495774">(Jul 20 2020 at 23:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>A good point. Then it might just be some infra/ admin has to do that. An unfortunate aspect of shared systems</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204525553" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204525553">(Jul 21 2020 at 09:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean if someone actually needs it I'm open to enabling VNC access</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204527243" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204527243">(Jul 21 2020 at 09:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don’t know the original source of this thread but as I understand access to a DTK requires signing an NDA on discussing the hardware (I haven’t signed one).</p>
<p>If someone has signed that they could be held responsible if something goes wrong in the worst case. With that in mind I would think we’d want to give access to a trusted few who can probably also be trusted with admin/GUI privileges on the machine.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204540554" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204540554">(Jul 21 2020 at 12:27)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> so, we're going to grant access to members of the compiler team, the libs team and the compiler-contributors team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204540589" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204540589">(Jul 21 2020 at 12:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>re: nda, we haven't signed one, the dtk is provided by macstadium and there wasn't an nda in their tos</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs/near/204540611" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/DTKs.html#204540611">(Jul 21 2020 at 12:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>(still, if apple doesn't want people discussing perf let's not)</p>



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